[ATrpms-users] FESCo Meeting

[Phil Schaffner]

On Wed, 2007-09-05 at 12:05 -0600, Richi Plana wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-09-05 at 19:55 +0200, Axel Thimm wrote:
> > We had an irc meeting a year ago when I tried to convince Fedora
> that
> > kmods are broken and that kmdls should be introduced. It was mainly
> > torpedoed by Thorsten Leemhouis, and I don't have the nerve and time
> > to waste part of my life again. :(
> 
> Perhaps he'll have a change of heart. Or other engineers will see your
> point now.

Not to disagree with the validity of Axel's point[s], and having
followed the kmod/kmdl and repo-tag/coordination debates (probably too
polite a term), it seems highly doubtful.

> > See also
> > 
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AxelThimm/kmdls
> >
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AxelThimm/kmdls/kmods_vs_kmdls_at_a_glance
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AxelThimm/kmdls/voting
> > 
> > Don't worry, even if fesco shoots down kmods (which would be a good
> > thing, kmods are a broken implementation to start with), kmdls will
> > stay.
> 
> That'll be sad. Instead of being able to come up with the possibility
> of
> coming up with a spin of Fedora with optimized kernel modules for
> their
> target audience or even be able to have just the needed modules for
> ones
> system (if one is savvy enough) via yum and rpm, you'll end up with a
> monolithic kernel with all the modules in the kernel tree installed.

To me a monolithic kernel means one with all drivers built-in, as
opposed to modules.  The only penalty to the proposal would seem to be
the additional bandwidth and disk space required.  Having all the
modules available in Fedora already included in the kernel would seem to
simplify life for Joe user.  Those who need other modules are free to
use kmdls, dkms, etc.

> With regards to kmdl, that'll only be true for some modules and
> modules
> that aren't in the kernel tree.

Nothing preventing anyone from rolling their own customized
kernel/modules for any custom spin for a particular target audience.
What are your objections to the proposal?

Phil